Am I missing something?

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    Goliath
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    Why is Pantera revered as one of the great heavy metal bands? Why is Dimebag considered such a virtuoso? I mean don’t get me wrong, the guy is good, but I feel like a lot of the hype is unwarranted.

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    Mike Edwin
    Mike Edwin
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    It depends who your talking too really.

    In every genre of followers there will be crowds who follow the celebrity’s. Then there will be crowds who respect the more ‘accomplished’ players.

    I agree. Dimebag is nothing special. There are many like him. The only difference is that Pantera were such a popular group. He gained the musical celebrity status among metal heads and the like, so his name has become synonymous with ‘amazing metal/thrash guitar’.

    Goliath
    Member

    of course it probably helps that dean is cashing in on his brand name something awful. I think they’re running out of permutations for MLFs and Razorbacks.

    Mike Edwin
    Mike Edwin
    Member

    haha yea. Its a bit silly, the amount of ways they try and paint the same guitar.

    InFlames
    Member

    i like pantera but yea it hink there overrated. dimebag is a good guitariest but totaly overrated. BUT he was a really nice guy. the interviews i read and the stuff i hear about the guy only proves he was a good person. the band rocked hard and i love there music. i remember when i hurd cowboys from hell when i was 15. it changed my life. and i respect the band and dimebag.

    Sean Conklin
    Sean Conklin
    Member

    I agree. They were a great metal band, but at the same time they were definitely overrated. I did appreciate some of Dimebag’s riffing style though. Some tasty metal licks. But overall, I could just never get really into their music.

    Max.
    Member

    I like Dimebag a lot and I don’t think he is overrated. Well now that I’m thinking about it, how do you define “overrated” ?
    That’s just a personal opinion for me. There are also people out there who say Scofield is overrated or some say Vai is overrated blabla.
    Don’t know what else I should say so that’s it šŸ˜‰

    InFlames
    Member

    somthing i dont get…slash. i dont see the big deal. some people say he is the biggest insperation to there playing. sure he is good and the sweet child o mine riff is cool but iv been on forums where people say he is the best guitarist ever. idk waht do you guys think?

    Goliath
    Member

    If Slash were to die tomorrow do you think they would launch 7 signature models a year for him cheaply made in indonesia?

    Seriously, they might as well change Dean’s company name to Dime, because nobody really knows what guitars they make these days that aren’t some how related to DbD. They started with the Z, ML, and V, the ML is sported somewhat frequently in non-dbd forms, but the V and Z are completely overlooked.

    I think Dime is overrated because he does get 7+ sig models a year. I mean that’s Michael Jordan type stuff man. I mean don’t get me wrong, he’s a strong player, for sure, better than I am and will likely ever be, but what’s the fuss about? And for folks who dwell on Pantera I just want to hand them an iPod with other metal on it, because I feel like they’re just stuck in a rut kind of like a bunch of Metallica fans and don’t know what else is out there. I just feel like maybe there’s some aspect of the music I’m not appreciating because Pantera just seems like an average metal band. Dimebag is outshined by all sorts of players and still he has all of this hype like he was the pinnacle of guitar ability. Paul Gilbert’s signature model gets very very little promotion, it’s not much more expensive than the high end import dean dbd series guitars and is better in every aspect except for the highly subjective appearance and tone, as some would prefer the dimebucker and different woods, etc. Paul Gilbert’s skill is at the very least equal to DbD and I don’t think it’d be a stretch to call Gilbert “better”. Gilbert gets a smidgin of the coverage DbD gets.

    jthompso
    Member

    I think Pantera and dImebag really did bring something new to the table stylistically that had a lasting impact on the genre. If you listen to a lot of modern American metal there is an unmistakable Pantera influence, and that in itself is enough to give them the elevated reputation they have. Also, Dimebag wrote some truly memorable and beautiful solos and riffs and had a distinctive sound and style – THAT is whats ultimately important, not whether he is technically up with the worlds best virtuosos.

    shredmandan
    Member

    Pantera was a big influence on my playing after i moved on from Metallica.I think Dime was a great guitarist and to me he started his own style.I dont think there is really another band that sounds just like them.Its kinda like how Korn is in a style of its up Dime made that for Pantera i fill.

    True there are so many better guitarist ,but thats the case with anybody if you really think about it.

    These types of debates always ends up the same way in my experience šŸ™‚
    It’s all a matter of taste. It’s like saying the color blue is better or worse than the color green in a sense.

    IMO Dimebag had a very unique style, and a very, very unique tone.
    Very recognizable. His technique was one thing, but above all was his
    tone and timing. Compared with Paul Gilbert I find him much more interesting,
    since Gilbert’s tone and tech might be good (or for certain things even superior to DbD),
    but he is about as interesting timing-wise as a waltz.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m not bashing Gilbert’s technique, speed, tone or vibrato,
    but his improvisations are very very one-dimensional and always sound the same
    regardless of style he plays over, because of his one-dimensional timing.
    Dimebag was also very niched in his playing for sure, but he explored more venues
    within that frame that a guy like Gilbert ever did.

    Most of these guys, like Gilbert, Satriani, DbD or Vai are great in their own right,
    and should be viewed as being Picasso’s with their own unique style.
    However, they are all (Vai least so) equally bad at doing anything apart form that Picasso.
    They are in no sense like Michelangelo, that was as good a sculptor, architect, painter and engineer.
    Vai has done most outside his “Picasso” frame, that’s for sure.

    But, compared with guys like Andy Timmons or Guthrie Govan, that more resemble a “Michelangelo”,
    they aren’t as broad. On the flip-side however. How many people could tell a work of Michelangelo apart from the works of say Rembrant, Da Vinci or such (had they not already seen the piece).
    Same thing with guys like Timmons and Guthrie, people do nto see them as being as recognizable
    when hearing them play, because their broadness at the same time makes them less personal
    (they do also have their unique “Picasso” style as well of course, not just as outspoken as the aforementioned guys).

    To conclude, this is also IMO the reason with guys like Dime continue to sell albums and guitars
    in particular (same with Hendrix for instance) after their death. Not because they could play anything,
    or were the greatest technicians or masters of their instrument. No, because they were true
    “picassos”, and thus more “sell-able”. almost ANYONE will recognize the style of Picasso,
    but very few that are not artists can tell apart the renaissance masters.

    Same with music and guitar. Anyone will recognize DImebags squeals and razor blade tone,
    Hendrix playing or Vai’s style. Very few will hear that it is Andy Timmons doing his SRV style, or Guthrie playing Knopfler lines.

    Interesting debate though, but I think we all need to put things in a broader perspective to really be able to debate the question posed by Goliath.

    Gollum
    Member

    Was Mozart the best composer of his era? Most people will easily agree yes!!! Of course, there’s really little doubt. But… were his works better or more “skillful” than beethoven, bach, or even composers after Mozart’s time? That’s tough to say. Though Mozart was proably one of the greatest composers ever to live, he doesn’t have THAT many famous melodies that live on today, though he might possibly have some of the greatest influence still on classical music as a whole.

    But when people ask questions like “who wrote the most amazing pieces of classical music” Mozart’s ground in history is threatened by the likes of Paganini, Chopin, and others. People that are widely regarded as amazing talents, but didn’t have the ability to capture as wide of audience as Mozart. Mozart’s music connected and resonated with more people at a higher level than ever before his time, and for that he’ll be remembered forever.

    Dimebag is not amazing for skill. He’s amazing for having written stuff that will remain in peoples memory. I can barely remember the melody to “For the love of God” by vai many times, and he’s one of the BEST virtuoso players out there.

    But if we want to start comparing… I find myself singing Petrucci’s melodies from suspended animation at least weekly, and I’m not a huge fan of dream theater or anything. But I own that CD and find it to be one of the best gems in my collection. For that petrucci will be remembered by me and because of that CD alone I’ll defend his abilities because he displays such amazing blends of technique and style.

    I also love buckethead. Good luck finding a player as broad and unique. Shred, ambient, country, bluegrass, and blues all wrapped up in a guy who’s got some of the most unique tone and some of the most amazing hands. People that call him robotic just don’t take the time to listen to his other stuff and just plain hate shred.

    So that’s my take on it. Dime might be a bit overrated by a lot of people, but he’s definately worth his mark on history.

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