Bending on the 1st string

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    Hi All,

    I’ve had this problem for a while, so finally thought I’d ask around and hope to address it with your help.

    I just can’t seem to bend a whole tone of the 1st string (high E). Is this strange? I ***** out mid way I think 😀 Maybe its a fear of the string breaking. I just broke one few days back. Maybe I’ve not practiced it enough. I can bend a whole tone on the 2nd string pretty good, not sure about 1/2 – 2 though.

    How do I address this? Is this a problem any of you have faced? Does it have to do with string gauge? I’m using .9 on the first, so I think the string is light and hence breaks easily. Should I switch to a heavier gauge, which makes it difficult to bend, but won’ break easily.

    Any suggestions would be helpful.

    Thanks,
    Rohan

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    Well, using 0.09 you should easily be able to bend 2 steps with no problem.
    If you break a lot of strings, especially at the saddle, you might want to check for rough edges there.
    Personally I use 0.11-.50 string, and usually bend around 1,5 steps on the High E (minor 3rd).
    Using heavier gauge strings is all about getting used to it, might feel hard at first, and your fingers will be in for a rough time, but once you get used to it you’ll be fine =)

    Tom Quayle
    Tom Quayle
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    I’d second what Richard just said. I’d check your saddles. I had a student recently who broke loads of high E strings. He was also using 9’s and found that even heavier strings were breaking too. He changed the saddles on the bridge and hasn’t had any problems since. I doubt it’s your technique that’s causing the breakages. I hope you manage to solve the problem.

    I’m quite tempted to try some heavier strings Richard. I think it’s time I beefed up my fingers!! 😉

    billmeedog
    Member

    arc_of_descent,

    It sounds to me like, perhaps it’s your string-bending technique that is preventing you from successfully controlling the amount of pitch you are manipulating. If you happen to be a player who uses a “finger-push/pull” string-bending technique (whereby the fingers remain almost parallel to the frets while bending,) perhaps you should try the other acceptable technique for bending strings. This other technique (which is the one I use and teach/advocate!) involves bringing the thumb over the top of the neck, stiffening the fingers, and turning the wrist & forearm into the bend. Do you understand what I’m saying? I’ve found this technique to be especially effective for attaining the necessary pitch-bending strength to “nail” those larger-interval bends on the high E-1 string. BTW, not that you asked about vibrato technique, but I happen to approach vibrato IDENTICALLY to the way I bend strings! Just stiffen those fingers, bring the thumb over the top of the neck, and TURN THAT WRIST!!! (the vibrato can be thought of as a series of smaller and faster, yet connected “micro-step bends!”

    I hope this helps. Best of luck!

    ~Bill Meehan~

    MSzymanek
    Member

    The guys above told you all the answers. I’m using .10 gauge, and it’s quite easy for me to bend whole – 1.5 steps, and with some effort I can pull a 2 step bend so I imagine with .9 it should be very easy.
    Bill I figured that I’m actually using that technique, but isn’t it that the average bending technique? I’ve never actually noticed if my way of bending (well yours as well) is any different from other players way of bending.

    billmeedog
    Member

    Hey Sealer,

    I agree with your comment about typical bending technique. However, one of my colleagues where I teach (who happens to be a FANTASTIC Berklee College educated fusion/rock player in his own right!) keeps more of a “classical-left-hand” position/technique when he bends, and I’ve seen others do this as well, albeit not as many. I was fortunate to have a teacher back (WAY BACK!) in my formative years who was an excellent “rock” guy who REALLY stressed the importance of sound bending and vibrato technique. I mean this guy was MILITANT about these expressive techniques’ importance to being a good rock player! I am forever grateful that he instilled that in me. I started teaching professionally in 1988 (I just had my 20th anniversary at the store where I teach, BTW!) and when I first started teaching,guitarists (in rock) were still playing leads, and the expressive elements were still deemed important. However, as “grunge” became popular in the 90’s (Nirvana, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, etc.), and then later in the 90’s the whole “power-pop” thing evolved (Green Day, Blink 182, etc.) lead-guitar as we knew it, took a “back-seat” in mainstream rock. Mind you, I never completely let the music of the day dictate my entire teaching philosophy and reportoire. However, I also believe in keeping students motivated through the music that “excites” them, so it became very difficult to justify teaching all of the cool lead-guitar vocabulary & techniques, when it was nary to be found in any of little “Johnny’s beloved Blink 182 discography!!!” Know what I mean?

    Anyways, I digress….(BIG TIME digression, sorry!!!)

    So there are players who bend different than you and I. The two most recent teachers who support “our” bending-technique (you know, the “stiff-fingered-wrist-turn.”) are the amazing Guthrie Govan (anyone care to take ANYTHING Guthrie recommends to task?!?)
    and also Guitar Techniques Magazine author Shaun Baxter – “Guitar Gym-series” from roughly 2002 (I think?) These guys all promote the “thumb-over-wrist-turn” for bending, but yet a thumb-way-behind” position for the stretchy-stuff, like wide intervals, 4-note-per-string diatonic-patterns, or just about anything that requires more than a three-fret stretch for that matter.

    One more thing. The point I made about “using any available finger that’s lower-positioned than the finger that is actually at the fret that you’re bending, should be used to re-inforce/strengthen the bend.” is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT for string-bending strength and control/accuracy! (This technique (of course) works with any finger that is bending EXCEPT for the index finger (as there is clearly no available fingers at a lower-fret than the index!)

    billmeedog
    Member

    Hey Sealer,

    I agree with your comment about typical bending technique. However, one of my colleagues where I teach (who happens to be a FANTASTIC Berklee College educated fusion/rock player in his own right!) keeps more of a “classical-left-hand” position/technique when he bends, and I’ve seen others do this as well, albeit not as many. I was fortunate to have a teacher back (WAY BACK!) in my formative years who was an excellent “rock” guy who REALLY stressed the importance of sound bending and vibrato technique. I mean this guy was MILITANT about these expressive techniques’ importance to being a good rock player! I am forever grateful that he instilled that in me. I started teaching in 1988 and when I first started teaching, guitarists (in rock) were still playing leads, and the expressive elements were still deemed important. However, as “grunge” became popular in the 90’s (Nirvana, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, etc.), and then later in the 90’s the whole “power-pop” thing evolved (Green Day, Blink 182, etc.) and eventually the “rap-metal” genre was born (think “Limp Bizkit” and try NOT to VOMIT!!!) The music of the day did NOT dictate my entire teaching philosophy. However, I also believe in keeping students motivated through the music that “excites” THEM, so it became very difficult to justify teaching all of the cool lead-guitar vocabulary & techniques, when it was nary to be found in any of “Lil’ Johnny’s beloved Blink 182 discography!!!” Know what I mean?

    Anyways, I digress….(BIG TIME digression, sorry!!!)

    So whenever I’ve had the chance to get through to an interested student, I’ve ALWAYS tried to instill the importance of these oft-under-emphasized techniques and concepts!

    Sealer, I think most players bend similarly to you and me. Two instructors who I’ve recently read, who advocate “our” “stiff-fingered-wrist-turning” technique, are the amazing Guthrie Govan (anyone care to take ANYTHING Guthrie recommends to task?!?) and also Guitar Techniques Magazine author Shaun Baxter – “Guitar Gym-series” from roughly 2002. They promote the “thumb-over-neck-wrist-turn” to bend, but yet a “thumb-way-behind” position for the stretchy-stuff, like wide intervals, 4-note-per-string diatonic-patterns, or just about anything that requires more than a three-fret stretch.

    One more thing. The point I made about “using any available finger that’s lower-positioned than the finger that is actually at the fret that you’re bending, should be used to re-inforce/strengthen the bend.” is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT for string-bending strength and control/accuracy! (This technique (of course) works with any finger that is bending EXCEPT for the index finger (as there is clearly no available fingers at a lower-fret than the index!) Below is a description of an example of this technique:

    – When in the 8th position, and bending the “C” note @8th-fret of E-1 string,
    with finger 3 (ring-finger,) then the index & second fingers should line up
    on the E-1 string, behind the 3rd finger, and assist the bend.

    – Even if the aforementioned bend was only a “half-step” interval, I’d STILL
    recommend the 3-finger approach NOT for strength reasons necessarily,
    but certainly for CONTROL reasons.

    – BTW, for what it’s worth, I am a HUGE advocate of practicing string-bending
    intonation by establishing a “target-pitch” on the same string (for a typical
    whole-step bend, that would be 2-frets higher than the fret being bent.) then
    play that target-pitch, unbent, to establish the target, then immediately try to
    match that target-pitch with the bend. I also have found that “singing” or even
    “whistling” the target pitch as you play it, can be helpful. Whatever it takes!!!

    – Also, for whatever it’s worth, I approach playing and teaching vibrato almost
    identically to the way I approach bending. The only difference is that the vibrato
    is a series of “connected-micro-step” bends, whereby the width (pitch-modulation)
    and the speed (how fast you shake the string) are variable parameters which
    which (unlike the target-pitch of a bend) are never “right-or-wrong!” These are
    up to the individual to determine and vibrato may be the single most defining
    element of a player’s perceived “style!”

    I hope this explanation helps someone. Peace!

    ~Bill Meehan~

    Thanks for all the replies.

    I spent some time analyzing my bend technique and I was using more of my fingers for bending rather than the wrist/forearm. I still can’t reach a whole tone bend, but it definitely feels much better now that I try to use more of the wrist while stiffening my fingers.

    Thanks Bill for that detailed info! Yeah, not keep the fingers parallel to the frets, stiffen them and then use your wrist to rotate gives me more control.


    Rohan

    In short, thumb over or under is a matter of taste and what feels more comfortable for you,
    and very much dependent on musical style, and what TYPE of bending you intend to do,
    as well as what you aim to play leading in and out of a bend.

    MUCH more important (what I have noticed in ten years of teaching) amongst my students
    are finger angle. If the fingertips bend the string with a roughly 40 degree angle, you won’t run the
    risk of the other strings slipping under the bend or over the fingers.
    If you have a angle that is too flat, you will “slip” and loose yoru grip on the string,
    and in such instance it doesn’t matter how much you bend, you won’t have any efficient bending.
    If you angle is too steep, you will end up pushing your bend-string under the other string,
    thus having those ride up over your nails if trying to bend many steps.

    When the angle is correct, the bended string rest on the lower portion of you fingertip, whilst
    the other strings rest on the upper portion of you finger tip, silently following along with the bend,
    but never causing any noise, or slipping of in any direction.

    billmeedog
    Member

    Richard,

    Great points about finger-angle and fingernails/tips pushing under adjacent strings. I’ve had students express that problem, but I’ve never had that happen, so I guess I’m lucky! I never analyzed the finger-anle, but now that you mention it, this must be why I’ve never had that finger-under-adjacent-string problem. Plus, I’ve always had very short fingernails – (bad habit of biting-nails!) – so that probably helps a bit too. Thanks for the ideas!

    ~Bill Meehan~

    MSzymanek
    Member

    @billmeedog 4925 wrote:

    Plus, I’ve always had very short fingernails – (bad habit of biting-nails!) – so that probably helps a bit too. Thanks for the ideas!

    ~Bill Meehan~

    Bad habits of shy musician pay off in the end :p I’m biting my nails as well;-)

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