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    Coop
    Member

    Guys, I have to admit that I am a hack guitar player at best.

    Recently, though, I decided to get my picking up to speed and one of my really good guitar buddies swears by a metronome.

    Now way back when I had a horrible experience with a guitar teacher and a metronome. So therefore I am somewhat scarred for life by the mere sight of a metronome.

    Is it really necessary to use one?

    Dan

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    Sean Conklin
    Sean Conklin
    Member

    Hey Dan,

    Firstly, what happened with your guitar teacher?

    Basically, if you want to have an exceptional sense of rhythm with the guitar, then practicing with the metronome is highly recommended. We all have certain types of weaknesses with our rhythm, but the metronome has perfect timing. So naturally, if we practice while referencing something that has perfect timing, we’ll slowly but surely develop that perfect timing in our own playing.

    You’ll definitely want to figure out ways to make it fun though. I have a feeling your guitar teacher may have just drilled it on you in monotonous, boring ways maybe. Take anything you enjoy playing, riffs from songs, scales you like, whatever, and apply that to the metronome in ways that interest you.

    You’ll of course have to have a good understanding of notes and their rhythmic values. I’m not sure if you already do, but be sure to check out some of our theory lessons if you need a refresher with that stuff.

    Anyway, that’s my take. šŸ˜€ Hope that helps a bit!

    Sean

    Coop
    Member

    Sean, basically I took some guitar classes in college. That was cool except for the fact that I had only been playing for about 6 months and I could barely make the basic chords let alone read music.

    The class was geared towards advance players, which I did not know, and we had to take a test with a metronome playing various notes, time signatures, etc…

    Needless to say I failed!!!! Anyway that just kind of turned me off to playing for a long, long time.

    I can pretty much play triplets, sixteenth notes, and some of the galloping stuff pretty accurately up to about 120bpm. Mainly alternate picking. Sweeps are slower. I have never been much of a sweeper, but I figure I will give it a shot.

    I would like to get up to 160 or so. I can do it in spurts but not consistently. After a few seconds it feels like my right hand gets alll bound up and I get real tense.

    My buddy, Tim, who is a great player has given me a few drills to do but it just is not happening.

    Dan

    Mandz
    Member

    I used to practice with a metronome but then I heard two guitarists I greatly respect (Dave Kilminster and Guthrie Govan) say that they almost never use them and never had. When I stopped using them I focused more on the mechanics of my technique and got a much more fluid yet consistent result. I only use a metronome now when i want to test my ability to play at higher speeds.

    Still, one of the things I find with metronomes is that the bleeping ones tend to be harder to follow at high speeds than the ones that actually produce a ‘click’. I’m not entirely sure why this is so.

    Mandz
    Member

    Some helpful ideas for you to improve you speed and get rid of you tension:

    * Watch Rick Graham’s video on Economy Of Motion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7-zD2IQYTw and read his 2-part lesson: https://www.infiniteguitar.com/viewlesson.php?lessonid=395

    * Read and absorb all of the articles here: http://www.guitarprinciples.com/GettingBetter/gettingbettermenu.htm – no need to buy anything off the website, just read the free articles, they’re all anyone really needs as long as they’re focused

    * Read this post if you haven’t already: https://www.infiniteguitar.com/forum/showpost.php?p=4775&postcount=2

    These all deal with the actual mechanics of playing the guitar rather than trying to get you to play a bunch of excercises over and over again in the hope that the right stuff will magically happen to your technique. They require that you analyse what you are doing, realise what you are actually doing with both your hands and make changes based upon what you learned from the above resources.

    Rick Graham
    Rick Graham
    Member

    Thanks for those links Mandz!

    I have never(save for the very odd occasion) used a metronome but I do feel it is an invaluable practice tool so should be experimented with at least a little.

    I find that a metronome helps me get into “practice mode”. When I decide that “ok, i’ve got two hours to play guitar”, I usually pick up the guitar, do some warm ups, and then start noodling away aimlessly. Wasted time! I find that setting the metronome down to a tempo immediately helps me practice a certain exercise.

    These days, i’ve also set tempo goals for many exercises here on IG.

    I would definitely recommened using a metronome.


    Rohan

    billmeedog
    Member

    Hey IG-ers!

    Just though I’d chime in on the use of metronomes.

    I had a teacher who insisted that I get one back in my formative years, and I “blew it off” for about a year, before finally he said at a lesson “You don’t use a metronome yet?” So, I LIED and said, “Actually, I just got one, so you should hopefully see some rhythmic improvement soon.” Well, I HAD TO go get a metronome then! So I did, and WOW, did it make a difference for me. I mean, my natural pre-metronome tempo/rhythm was pretty good, but now I had a way to really solidify my rhythm and also, guage my progress as it pertained to speed/chops! I swear by the metronome now for the most efficient use of my practice time!

    As far as the comment someone made about Guthrie Govan’s aversion to metronomes, maybe he did say that, but I’ve read BOTH of his “Creative Guitarist” method books (more than once!) and in Book 1 he has a section on metronome usage, and although he doesn’t think that they should be considered the “end-all-be-all” of guitar pursuits, he does outline some excellent ways to utilize a metronome, AND he talks about his own use of the metronome (albeit briefly.) Another point to be made is that if you do any playing along to recordings and/or transcribing licks/riffs/solos, then you’re essentially playing along to a perfect (or near-perfect) rhythm/tempo reference. So indirectly, a lot of non-metronome users have INDIRECTLY practiced in ways similar to using a metronome.

    One area where I do think a metronome can be psychologically NEGATIVE, is when a player reaches a threshold/plateau to their top-end speed. I’ve heard first-hand accounts from the late-great Shawn Lane (anyone care to doubt HIS opinion about speed/chops?!?)and from the well-known instructor Tom Hess, who both believe there’s a method (for more advanced students I believe) to break-down some of those speed-barriers and greatly increase one’s top-end speed! Shawn Lane talks about a method he used whereby he would try things (usually shorter phrases, which is important!) WAY beyond his threshold of clean-execution. Although it was messy and “out-of-synch” Lane claimed that this helped to broke down those “mental-barriers” that we sometimes put up when we keep seeing the same number on our metronomes. He then said he would “clean-up” the messiness at the higher-tempo through repetition, but atleast he got to hear/see/experience his own hands “moving that fast” albeit asynchronously. As I said, Tom Hess promotes a similar “beyond-threshold” practice technique (only to be used sparingly by more advanced students, and certainly not as a full substitute for standard practicing techniques.) If anyone is interested, Hess calls his routine the “Ladder-System” for developing speed. I’m sure you guys can find it if you poke around a bit.

    Bottom line: It may not be for everybody, but I believe the metronome can benefit the mere mortals among us. Now guys like Rick Graham who don’t use metronomes and hardly practice anymore AND STILL manage to KICK MAJOR ASS on guitar, well they need to be bound-and-gagged and forbidden from shaming us on our instruments ever again! (LOL – of course Rick!!!)

    ~Bill Meehan~

    Mandz
    Member

    @Rick Graham 4787 wrote:

    Thanks for those links Mandz!

    no probs šŸ™‚

    @Rick Graham 4787 wrote:

    I have never(save for the very odd occasion) used a metronome but I do feel it is an invaluable practice tool so should be experimented with at least a little.

    Ok, that’s three guitarist that I greatly respect saying they don’t use metronomes.

    I do still use them occasionally but not when trying to improve my technique, only when working on difficult phrases at high speeds to see if I can manage them. Also, I teach my students (beginners to intermediates) how to get the best use out of their metronomes so I’m not anti-metronome by any measure.

    @billmeedog 4795 wrote:

    As far as the comment someone made about Guthrie Govan’s aversion to metronomes, maybe he did say that, but I’ve read BOTH of his “Creative Guitarist” method books (more than once!) and in Book 1 he has a section on metronome usage, and although he doesn’t think that they should be considered the “end-all-be-all” of guitar pursuits, he does outline some excellent ways to utilize a metronome, AND he talks about his own use of the metronome (albeit briefly.)

    I’ve got both of his Creative Guitar book too and I’d recommend them to anyone at any level of ability. They’re very well written (he was studying English Literature at Oxford for a while I think) and he does recommend metronomes, which is, I agree, at odds with what he’s said when I’ve asked him in person. Maybe next time (assuming there is a next time) I see him I’ll ask him to clarify his postition. He’s very approachable and always seems a bit surprised that people are interested in how he does things. Very humble.

    Mind you, so is Rick šŸ™‚

    Mandz
    Member

    I saw (and spoke to) Guthrie Govan at MusicLive in Birmingham yesterday. I was actually very surprised to see him there as he wasn’t advertised as such. He was at the Rotosound stand jamming with Ben Poole.

    I asked Guthrie about his use of a metronome and I mentioned that Rick (Graham) doesn’t really use a metronome to practice and that since I stopped using one my technique has improved. He said that he didn’t really see the point in metronomes unless you don’t have a natural feel for time or you actually enjoy it, at which point he did a spot-on imitation of a metronome on his guitar using palm-muted harmonics :).

    He went on to say that some people have “got it” with timing, and some people don’t, and that Rick is obviously one of those. I mentioned that when I’m teaching I seem to have a lot of students who “don’t got it”. He said that those students obviously need something to keep time for them (he suggested tapping your foot while they play). He also said “I’m aware of Rick” and that basically whatever Rick thought of them was right.

    He also said that shredders who like using metronomes are usually the sort of people who see music as a race and want to see how fast they can get. He didn’t say it but I’m pretty sure he’d rather use a drum machine if he had to of just play along to backing tracks.

    Also, I want a Cornford Roadhouse 50 – it sounds fantastic!

    Rick Graham
    Rick Graham
    Member

    Hey Mandz, How was it in Birmingham? I would have loved to have been there, hopefully I will be next year.

    Great stuff man, Guthrie really is a master musician and I’m amazed that he actually has heard of me!!

    What he mentioned regarding speed is something I tend to agree with although there was a thread on his forum by Ed Yoon who is a moderator of the forum who started a thread about speed and all of that NPS stuff. A very Nice chap by the name of Willjay(who also posts at the JP forum) asked if I could do a vid of me doing 16nps so I obliged just for fun of course. I’m hoping if Guthrie has seen it that he doesn’t take it too seriously lol.

    Cool to get the mans input on the use of metronomes tho’ so thanks a lot Mandz!

    Mandz
    Member

    MusicLive this year was pretty poor I thought. No Dean stand (therefore no MAB), no dedicated Ibanez stand, no Fender stand, no Cornford stand (which was really annoying) and, most surprisingly, no Line6 stand – those guys are always there.

    There were loads of technology stands and seminars (Cubase, Logic, Pro-tools etc) and university/education stands. No “classical” instrument stands at all this year. Not much in the way of acoustics or basses either. Really not much of interest for the average guitar nerd, like me.

    I missed Thomas Blug at the PRS stand and I didn’t have time to stick around for the Joe Bonamassa gig after the show. I didn’t realise that there was special Guitarfest show on the Friday night which included, amongst others, Vinnie Moore who I would’ve loved to have seen. Dave mustaine was supposed to appear on the Saturday but I didn’t see him and there were no times posted up for him.

    It seems to me that year-on-year the show is getting smaller and there are less and less of the big stands and more and more of the technology and small business stands appearing. I remember going a few years ago and meeting Steve Craddock, Richie Kotzen, MAB, Paul Reed Smith and a bunch of amazing demo-guys all in one day. I think Guthrie was the only “name” i saw this year. I was bored and there really wasn’t much of interest on. The london show was much better, and i got pretty bored there too.

    There weren’t really any good deals to be had, or at least nothing you couldn’t get on the internet for the same price. I spent Ā£17 pounds to get in + Ā£8 pounds to park (and Ā£7 on 2 really nice ice cream cones) and left empty handed and bored after 3 hours. There’s only so many times you can watch Guthrie play before you start looking like a stalker šŸ™‚ .

    I’m not sure i can be bothered to go next year. Then again, i’m a hopeless optimist and maybe it will be better next year (I know deep down it won’t).

    If you’re going next year then I might go too. Maybe you could set aside some time to give me a lesson too šŸ˜€

    MSzymanek
    Member

    @Mandz 4800 wrote:

    I’ve got both of his Creative Guitar book too and I’d recommend them to anyone at any level of ability. They’re very well written

    Sorry for ot, but I just gotta second this. I recently bought both of them and his way of talking about playing is so applicable, and so easy to understand. Throws in a few stories and you almost feel like you were talking with him in person;) .Truely great books.

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