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    InFlames
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    im at a loss on how to master chords. iv been learning them as in Amajor Amajor7 A7th A9 Aminor but i dont understand how i would use them. then a friend of mine recommended that i learn the chords that are in keys. does any1 have any suggestions? or a cool trick to help me out

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    Mike Edwin
    Mike Edwin
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    Hey, I moved this thread becasue it seemed more of a theory related question.

    You raised two questions. How do I use them, and How do I master/learn them.

    I will stick with ‘learning’ because using them is more easily taught with a demonstration, you also need to be listening.

    So anyway. If your familiar with your basic chord construction techniques, building these other chords can be quite simple.

    Take something like a CMaj7

    x
    5 <third
    4 <seventh
    5 <fifth
    3 <root
    x

    If you count up the C major scale in this position C=1 D=2 E=3 F=4 ect.. you will see each note corresponds with the degrees I labeled them with on the tab. Asside from the third, which has been raised one octave.

    Now if we look again at the third. and drop just that note by a whole step. We wind up with the 2nd/9th degree of the scale in its place. Like so.

    x
    3 <9th <<<<<
    4 <7th
    5 <5th
    3 <root
    x

    This is now a Cmaj9

    Lets look at the 7th now. Assuming we want to change it from a Cmaj7 to a C7. As long as we know that the difference between a Cmaj7 and a C7 is the 7th degree. ( Maj7 = 7th degree of a major scale. Dominant7 = b7 degree of the major scale. ) We can flatten that 7 by 1 semi tone.

    We wind up altering it like so.

    C7

    x
    5 <3rd
    3 < b7th
    5 <5th
    3 <root
    x

    Before I continue, let me know if this is where you were headed with the question. These simple alterations are a common way to learn your chord extensions. It is important that your familiar with the relevant scale degrees though.

    Mike.

    InFlames
    Member

    Hey mike. great explenation.

    but my question was not worded right. i aplogize. i was running late and typed it fast.

    anyways i understand how to build chords but what im having trouble with is memorizing all the different chords and there shapes. i have a few down. But this weekend i focused on learning the chords by keys. i started with C and would learn chords in c major and minor scale. then i switced to another scale (d). i ended up doing about 5 keys. It worked. the chords i focused on where major7th minor 7th, 7th and major9th. and i also learned the dimished chords. i think dimished sounds really really ugly. i primarly play rock (although lately iv been playing a kind of funky rock jazz). can i replace a dimished chord for a major or minor chord in a chord progression. say my progression was I-IV-VII. could i use a major VII instead of a dimished VII?

    Mike Edwin
    Mike Edwin
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    Diminished chords in Rock music are rare.

    Using a vii chord in a Major progression is also rare.

    If you have a chord progression that intends to use chord 7, odds are it will be in a minor key. If you are playing in a minor key though. Using a chord other than the diminished, such as the Major, could sound quite out of place.

    It really depends though. If your using it in a particular way and it sounds alright to your ears. There is no reason not to use it.

    Mike Edwin
    Mike Edwin
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    As for your I-IV-VII progression. I can only assume it is in a minor key. Which would make a bit more sense written as ii-V-i. In which case the dim chord is required in my opinion.

    Could you make a recording of what your talking about possibly?

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