Theory request
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hey guys again can someone please help me with some theory on the one subject that i struggle with…songwriting…can someone teach some song writing and harmony theory maybe a series or something
i would highly appreciate it if someone could
thanks ahead
lucifer
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Allright, what you have asked is quite a broad question.
Songwriting is not something that can be simply taught. There are many guides we can follow based on previous composers that will help us structure sections of music into a coherent song-like pattern. Such as intro – verse – chorus – verse – chorus, for example.In the end, once you have the right tools under your belt, it will be mostly up to your creative energy’s. Thats not to say we cant help you find them though.
Harmonic theory is a huge topic on the other hand. There are considerations all over the place with this one.
If you could narrow your question down a bit that would help alot.
Maybe your having trouble finding the right chords? or you have a chord progression, or melody, but arent sure what to do with it? how to write an intro? what kind of chords evoke certain kinds of feelings, or styles. (this is subjective to a large degree but can still be put to good use for effect on the majority of listeners)
Mike.
hey mike thanks for the response
my problem is basicly putting a good progression i mean i know chords all of them..but how to make em lead to another and keeping the same like feeling..
like also i know extended chords but how to make up lead to one another and just sitting there and go over the placeand also how to put a melody on top of it…thats what hard for me
Like Mike said, even if you knew all the rules (and how to break them) it comes down to your creativity. It’s important to find the best way for you to write music and melodies too. It’s important to just keep trying to make your own stuff and eventually it will become easier for you.
Lucifer.
I suggest you begin by messing around with simple progressions like the ii-V-I. If your familiar with these changes you will recognize them in many many popular tunes. There is an absolute abundance of ways we can approach this progression to build fresh ideas from too.
For example.
ii-V-I in Cmaj.Dm7 – G7 – Cmaj7. We can turn these three chords into a longer more interesting set of changes by just making a few simple alterations.
Dm7 – G7 – Cmaj7 – Em7 – Eb7 – Dm7 – Db7 – Cmaj7
or maybe
Cmaj7 – C#dim – Dm11 – G13.There is a simple logic to these substitutions, and many more. Most of which I will be covering in my lesson material on the site. I reccomend that you join up and get the full story, rather than me only being able to explain part of it on these forums.
As for putting a melody over your chord progressions.
I usually start by singing while playing the chords. Your ears will automatically give you a general idea of which notes are going to harmonise well and which ones wont. The gravity of the harmony itself will also drag your melody in the direction of the chords.
Scale choices.
If your progression is diatonic then you will usually get away with just using the major scale. For example, if you look at the ii-V-I in my last post. All those chords are from the key of C, so C major scale will sound nice over the entire sequence.
As for the following examples I gave. There will be many more options. Such as the melodic minor/harmonic minor/ bebop scale and more. But this would require a much deeper definition.
In fact you could use these scales over the simple ii-V-I, if your wise about it.
Songwriting is a fine art, and one should not expect to be great at it within a short period of time. Some people are natural composers but most of us need to study these things in detail to really grasp what the possiblities are. In the end though, with all the information in the world, it is up to you and what you are hearing in your mind.
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