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    Rick Graham
    Rick Graham
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    What are your techniques or methods of creating new music?
    For me it changes all the time. The most effective method for me I find is to let go of everything and see what happens; sort of a stream of conciousness approach. It doesn’t always work for me though. Sometimes it can be a drum beat I have programmed or a bassline or vocal melody I have come up with. There have been times when I’ve sat down and written music methodically but more often than not if I do that it tends to be counter productive.

    What about you guys?

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    Sean Conklin
    Sean Conklin
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    Yeah my approach varies as well. Usually though, it’ll start with me just messing around on the guitar, then immediately when I stumble on something cool, I start programming drums along with it. Then I pretty much just take it measure by measure, or sometimes initially working on the climax area of a song, then working forwards and backwards from it after. hehe I’m all over the place sometimes, while other times I compose literally bar by bar.

    Since I’m also a drummer, I sometimes think of beats in my head and program them, then layer the guitars on after.

    All just depends on the mood and flow of the day really.

    It changes from time to time. I haven’t written anything in about 12 months – I think I’m suffering from a severe writer’s block. But a long time before that – 2-3 years ago, when I started writing my magnus opus, Lex Naturae, I would find inspiration in simply writing one song each month. Lex Naturae includes 12 songs, one for each month. So in that way I would be in that exact month and be closer to the feeling of being in that month, if you know what I mean?

    It’s an old project now, and I’ve decided to re-write all of the music. I just have to find some serious inspiration first – seems dificult these days.

    That was one approach. The other one is just coming up with either a nice riff, bassline or drumline and simply building the song around that. I find it easier when it is a drumline. Even though I’m a guitarist, I for some reason find it easier to write a song where the main focus is on the drums, and I find it easier to vary the drums enough to make it not sound repeating.

    Another thing that happens sometimes when writing is simply, as you, Rick, said, stream of consciousness approach, in a manner of writing a couple of measures/bars for one instrument and then just adding on top of that for another instrument and then work through the entire song, untill I feel it’s finished.

    Mike Edwin
    Mike Edwin
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    Composition is not a conscious choice I make, although it has become a part of my studies so I cant avoid it now. In the past, having no clue about how to write music, I would start with a chord progression that had a nice flow to it and then just add a simple melody.

    As I said, its not in my nature to compose really, Improvisation is all im in it for. So If I do write something now, its really just an excuse to have a new set of chords to improvise over. Having said that, I compose with little thought for how the tune should or could sound. That part I leave untill there are a group of musicians surrounding me who can add thier own feelings and interperetations to it.

    The collective creativity of a band can often be far more productive than several hours of me sitting at home thinking “what is the drummer going to do… what kind of bass lines does this demand?? “

    The whole ‘stream of consciousness’ thing I can relate to aswell. Singing while playing is something I can never avoid. Often times I will just sit and strum random chords and try to harmonize melodies on the spot without thinking too much about what I’m actually playing. This process is usually what leads to penciling in a tune, usually the more interesting sounds reveal themselves when its an unconscious thing.

    Iluha
    Member

    Well ussually I just hear the melody I want in my head, especially during travel, and while siting having nothing to do šŸ˜›

    If I manage to keep that melody in my head till I get home, than I try singing it and than I try transporting it to the instrument.. once I got a basic idea of what I want I will try making the chord progression, and after that the rest of the song šŸ™‚

    100% in my head. I hear a new song idea or melody and I will tab it and I will dream about new riffs to go with it and hear new riffs in my head.

    @OrganisedConfusion 1522 wrote:

    100% in my head. I hear a new song idea or melody and I will tab it and I will dream about new riffs to go with it and hear new riffs in my head.

    You actually dream riffs? šŸ™‚ haha

    Seriously yeah. It happened for a long time before I was aware and now I dream of playing certain riffs on guitar that I’ve never played before in my life and wake up and tab them out. It’s weird. My dreams are very realistic. They are always things that could be happening in my life and they confuse the hell out of me.

    Iluha
    Member

    @OrganisedConfusion 1678 wrote:

    Seriously yeah. It happened for a long time before I was aware and now I dream of playing certain riffs on guitar that I’ve never played before in my life and wake up and tab them out. It’s weird. My dreams are very realistic. They are always things that could be happening in my life and they confuse the hell out of me.

    I think I remember Steve Vai saying that he dreamt about For The Love Of The God, and the morning he playd it šŸ™‚

    @Iluha 1695 wrote:

    I think I remember Steve Vai saying that he dreamt about For The Love Of The God, and the morning he playd it šŸ™‚

    It’s like Eric Johnson with Cliffs of Dover said the song was just “there” for him so he shouldn’t be credited with it. It came to him in 5 minutes. I wish I dreamed of For The Love Of The God also lol. Maybe I’d be able to afford the train home šŸ™‚

    My process is somewhat weird, Alot like Sean, im all over the place. Im just messing around and if I get a cool riff, i go from there. Or if i have written lyrics and want a song to have a certain theme to it, Ill mess around with chords, licks, little riffs to fit the atmosphere. Or sometimes ill start a song as a simple 3:00 instrumental, but when i play that last chord and im recording, Often times i just keep playing while recording is still going on, Next think you know the 3:00 song is now 7:00 šŸ˜€

    OutLaw2112
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    Sometimes some of my best riffs come from my mistakes… Ill be playing some song and make a mistake and think that sounded kinda cool… then ill start messing around with the mistake i made and it turn it into something sounding very nice… I then immediately write it down in my notebook under my riff ideas section… Then ill add to it later on and next thing you know i have 4 or 5 pages of new material… all from a mistake i made

    benjamin t
    Member

    Here’s something I wrote about this topic on another forum, very recently.

    “Well there are the two main methods of writing music.

    The first is probably the most popular. When an individual artist or a band has an idea, or a story, or just a feeling, they sit down and try to plot out a way to put it to music. Writing lyrics that coincide with whatever that particular event or emotion happens to be. Maybe taking specific words or phrases from the actual event. Writing the instrumental part can become more symbolic – if it has to do directly with whatever the band is talking about.

    The second method is just to sit with a feeling, and write whatever comes to mind. The first method is more like looking at the whole picture when writing music, whereas this one is more like looking at small pieces and not worrying about how things run together. I usually write music using this method. I usually sit down and keep that emotion or idea in my head, or stomach, and just write what I feel. I don’t necessarily worry about what the whole thing will be like at the end. Even though it might be a little bit harder to listen to or comprehend, I find it way more productive as far as expressing certain emotions go. You just sit there and let it all come out. And when you focus on small pieces you can (in my opinion) get into far more detail with the lyrics or music or whatever. I think I may have started to write like this because I thought it was easier than plotting and directing everything out. I guess that may have just been me being lazy, but I really enjoy writing like this.

    That’s what I’ve noticed.”

    Rick Graham
    Rick Graham
    Member

    Some really cool posts here guys. It’s great to hear how some of you guys approach the same thing. Some of my favourite things that I have come up with have definitely been the most simple and also ones that seemed to have written themselves so to speak.

    Lit1219
    Member

    I dont really have any special ways of doing this. But I think I can learn a thing or two from all of you gurus!

    Well, so far when writing with Andy, we just kinda bring in ideas or riffs that each of us have written, and we just kinda jam on them or think of ways to expand on them and inject our own little flavor in them and take it from there. It’s not the best way, but so far it’s working for us, and we really work well together for a veteran jazz tenor sax player and a metalhead from milwaukee. haha

    Most of the stuff that I have written myself is just from me jamming to a chord progression I might think of, and see where I can take it. I have this odd habit of taking an idea, and if I somehow can’t make it go anywhere after about a half hour or so of fiddling with it, then i toss it out. Ends up in less full songs, but less migraines and more happiness.

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