Stuck in a hole…

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    AJ_Lenzie
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    Okay lets start off by saying for playing 8 years im nowhere where i should be which sucks, but heres my problems

    1) I hate notes…live by the way of tabs, which is okay the way i want to play music
    2) I cant move around without problems, via i can learn anything it takes me a day or two to get it “down” but i see all these people effortlessly moving and sweeping and ive been practicing so i guess my real question is whats the best way to memorize scales and moving around the fretboard because ive been learning all the scales that i can, but when i learn one that i really like i tend to lean more to that scale more than the others and it makes me forget. im on this site everyday trying to do lessons and everything, but if anyone has hints to just be able to play better, because i HATE to play sloppy so i take my time, but within that im definatly a metal head so if anyone wants to throw some ideas around for me and anyone else who is curious please do so.

    Thanks,
    AJ

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    Mike Edwin
    Mike Edwin
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    This is a natural difficulty for many musicians.

    I would begin by suggesting your reluctance to dive into dots/notes is part of your problem. Having said that, maybe tab is NOT ok for the way you want to play music. There is definitely more available to a musician who has some understanding of what all the notes are there for.

    Knowing scales as patterns and numbers will only take you so far. Knowing all the notes on your fretboard and being able to think of scales in terms of the notes themselves drastically improves the memorization of these forms.

    When you begin to see your guitar as a huge spectrum of intervals and not just places to put your fingers. Arpeggios and scales really jump out at you. This is one reason that great players are able to improvise with complex combinations of scales and arpeggios. They can see, for example, that a simple Major triad arpeggio can easily be manipulated into several other kinds of arpeggios with slight alterations.

    For example.

    If you arpeggiated the notes G B D. You have a G maj triad.
    If you played the same thing but continuing like so. G B D A C E you will get the sound of a G maj 9 11 13 arpeggio. The first three notes being your strong chord tones and the other three being our more ‘colorful’ tones from the G maj chord.

    Once you know where these notes are and know that each of them serve a particular role in the G maj harmony. You can identify the 11th C and raise it by a half step. giving you the option of playing it as G B D A C# E. Now we have a G maj 9 #11 13 harmony, which is a more preferable sound.

    How about if we make that 11 natural again and flatten the B.
    G Bb D A C E. This gives us a nice Gm 9 11 13 arpeggio.

    Lower the 5th D, to Db. and raise the E to F
    G Bb Db A C F. This is a Diminished arpeggio.

    Practicing like this can be a good use of time. Reciting the notes as you play them and thinking of the chord you would play those notes over is great for building connections in your mind.

    Anyway, you may be able to do these things already.

    It really depends what you mean by ‘play better’ in the end though. If you want to be able to do more complex and technically demanding things on your instrument. A lot of repetitive practice will do the trick usually.

    If its a more theoretical approach. I would suggest exercises like the ones listed above to begin with. If so, id be happy to get more specific with things you can work on to develop these skills.

    Mike.

    AJ_Lenzie
    Member

    Well it looks like my next step is theory, which i really dont know too much about, at least a little. Anyways Mike thanks for the amazing post and the slap to the face, I really needed that!!! Thanks again!

    Mike Edwin
    Mike Edwin
    Member

    I wasn’t aiming to hurt you šŸ˜‰

    Definitely keep doing what ever you have been doing up till now. As a start though, I highly recommend you start naming notes as you practice scales. Start with your C major scale so you can get used to visualizing all the natural notes on the guitar. Then as you work on other keys the accidentals will stand out a bit more.

    The same can go with chords. Just play through any tune and stop on a random chord and name all the notes being played.

    It can be a pain, but with a little focus and consistency you will be seeing all kinds of new possibilities in no time.

    Sean Conklin
    Sean Conklin
    Member

    Hi AJ,

    Mike hit the nail in the head with this, so I don’t really have anything to add. Lots of players just practice shapes/scales over and over, but don’t really know how to apply those shapes and scales, hence limiting their ease of movement throughout the fretboard. It’s all about going to the core with notes and intervals as Mike emphasized. Mastering those things will help scales make much more sense to you. šŸ™‚

    AJ_Lenzie
    Member

    Well thank you both, Ive been trying to find a website where the instructors actually helpl….it seems i have actually found the place where people actually care for music!!! And that is a big deal to me, and obviously others too, so thank you!

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